Business asset valuation
Submitted by spiegel.steve on Mon, 05/11/2015 - 23:36
Two more questions:
1. We receive an annual payout from a business; it's not income in the traditional sense that one of us is employed and earns it but it is an income stream. What's the best way to represent this in ESP? I've put this in as an annuity under "Special Receipts"
2. This business currently has a cash reserve that will pay off when the business is sold or shuttered. It's a 6 figure asset. How should this be represented in ESP? I'm assuming in "special" under receipts with an estimated date the business will sell.
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dan royer
Tue, 05/12/2015 - 08:52
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Yes, special receipts is the
Yes, special receipts is the way to go here. Just get the tax consequences right when you enter it. There will be no payroll taxes (FICA, etc) taken out as a special receipt. So in that sense it's not "earnings."
In #2 of course you'll have to pick a year to shutter the business for the sake of your model.
spiegel.steve
Tue, 05/12/2015 - 13:12
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Dan
Dan
Thanks again; I picked a year to add the business payout and would like to use those funds to payoff our remaining mortgage (see my next question). Again, I have read some of the other responses about mortgage payoffs but there doesn't seem a smooth way to keep the asset and have it grow from it's value at the time of payoff with a simple lump sum mortgage payoff. Setting up a 2nd primary home (for zero $ cost as was proposed in one answer) would not reflect the value of the now fully paid off house. The system requires a mortgage for the 2nd primary home. I can "fudge" my way there by putting a full $ one year mortgage in which magically gets paid out in one year without apparently impacting cash flow. I just want to do it the right way and would love any suggestions.
Thanks
Steve
dan royer
Tue, 05/12/2015 - 15:07
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I do believe the second home
I do believe the second home is the way to go. Use a 100% down. I believe that if you look at your existing mortgage report and use the amount that you see at the end of the fifth year from now, that would be the cost of the second home. After you put in the numbers, you can look at the housing report and should see just the taxes and insurance remaining with a hit on your regular assets that reveals the cost of the second home.
spiegel.steve
Tue, 05/12/2015 - 15:48
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Dan
Dan
Thank makes sense but how do I get the asset value back to what it should be?
Let's say I have a home with a value of $500K and a mortgage of $200K at payoff time, so an equity value of $300K. If put in the cost of the new home at $200K, then several things happen that might not be workable.
1. House value is $200K, not $500K
2. The balance of the equity in the asset, $300K, goes where? into other assets? into what reports?
3. This shows a liquidity that doesn't reflect reality.
4. In my case, my home is waterfront so it appreciates at more than an average rate and I would not have to trick my other assets appreciation for the portion of the $300K to match overall expected appreciation and I also am not sure how to use this for cash management.
I appreciate your help but I want to try as hard as i can to make the reports reflect the real world.
Thanks
Steve
BrianVezza
Tue, 05/12/2015 - 16:02
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It's not 100% clear what you
It's not 100% clear what you are trying to do, but here's an idea. The numbers won't match yours exactly, but should give you an idea how to structure this.
Current home - market value $500,000, loan balance $200,000
First change of home - 2016, purchase price $500,000, percent downpayment 100%
Special receipt $200,000 in 2016 (for selling your business and applied to mortgage)
Assumptions, costs of selling homes 0%
The year your transactions occur (sell business/payoff mortgage) should match change of home and special receipt.
Once you get it close, you can tweak this to match your specific situation.
Best,
Brian
spiegel.steve
Tue, 05/12/2015 - 16:34
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Brian
Brian
Thanks a lot; I think you helped lift the fog in my brain; I was doing all of this but I missed the 100% down payment which results in some huge negative and positive $ swings that were not valid.
I had the "Special" area set up to cover the payment receipts and the mortgage payoff but it was all slightly off.
It looks much better now.
thanks for your help!
Steve
BrianVezza
Tue, 05/12/2015 - 16:41
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Glad this helped Steve.
Glad this helped Steve. There's always something new to learn about ESPlanner and how to apply it to your specific situation. Sometimes it takes time to research and think it through along with making use of the forum. Good luck!
Best,
Brian
dan royer
Tue, 05/12/2015 - 17:13
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Thanks Brian . . . I was
Thanks Brian . . . I was going to say something about not worrying about the value of the home since it only matters to net worth and ESPlanner leaves it on the table. But your comments help.